RELATIONSHIPS; WOMEN, MEN AND CHILDREN

What women want: figuring out online dating

Linda learned to decipher profiles that men wrote on MeetYourMate, and learned to spot certain titles and profiles that would uncover men she did not want to be with. Many men love their dogs of course. They talk about their dogs in their profiles. They would say things like, “I wish you would understand me as well as my dog does.” “My dog understands me.” They wish women were like dogs. When some men envision the woman they want to be with, they envision the way that their dog is with them:  runs to meet them at the door, jumps on them, licks them(remember the dog has just been laying around all day), is extremely happy to see them; then follows them around, looking at them with those begging, cute puppy dog eyes, sits next to them, patiently waiting, or goes back to sleep, with their warm head in their lap; begs for dinner: the man gets up and feeds the dog and himself;  takes the dog for a walk: doesn’t have to talk, be romantic, notice the moon, or any of those things; back home, the dog is always there, loyal, undemanding except for food and a walk, uncomplicated, low maintenance. The dog knows the man is the master of the house; takes commands, listens, and is content to watch the man no matter what he does in the house. The dog will even go hunting, fishing, and go for rides in the truck…

So, what does it mean for a woman to “understand him like his dog does”, or “be like his dog”??? One thing Linda found interesting is that these men like to be waited on by women; the women should do the cooking and cleaning, take care of their man. Why is it that a dog gets “waited on” by a man: fed, grocery shopped for, walked, cleaned up after, with no complaints? But this same man will not do those things for a woman partner. Linda found that many single men in their 50’s-60’s just want a companion in a woman; someone to hang around with, go to dinner, when they want to. They want a woman to greet them at the door, kiss them, beg for them( in bed), cook their meals, clean their house, seduce them with those eyes and body; just be there, with no demands, just listen, talk when talked to, do what they want to do….low-maintenance. These men are not going to change their ways, don’t like having demands made of them, and are controlling. Beware if a man’s idea of “visioning” the woman he wants to be with is, “like my dog”.

Linda met a man who had a small, grown dog. On the first date he informed Linda that the dog gets him up at 5:00 every morning for a walk, and that he has to go home for lunch every day to take him out, and has to be home by 6:00. Linda was not wanting to have a dog control her schedule, and could not imagine never getting to sleep in, or go out to dinner or for drinks after work.  She had gone through the baby years with little sleep and lots of responsibility. But that was for babies (humans) and was temporary. Babies grow up and are taught to not pee on things, tear things up; they become disciplined and have rules. It seems that some people let dogs run their lives, including not disciplining their dogs.

Linda learned to use visioning, to envision the man she would “bring into her life”. She wanted a man whose gaze into her eyes was strong and long; while he was talking to her and listening to her his eye contact was strong and seductive. He would sit close when they were talking, lean in, touching her hand, or arm, or shoulder, or touching her face at times; if he saw something he liked while they were talking he would touch it, or tell her he “loved her….eyes”…, his face, gaze, eyes, lips were strong and expressive. He loved to talk and listen, have long conversations with her, his voice masculine, peaceful, not loud, intelligent;  a man who read books and newspapers and loved to talk about life, the world, meaningful things; yet was open, wanted to hear her words, thoughts as well; not judgmental, assuming; loved to listen to ideas, recommendations; When watching TV, or whatever, he wanted to sit close, cuddle, touch; he had wonderful ideas for fun or togetherness, being outside, experiencing nature and beauty(that did not involve hunting and fishing and sports all the time); he wanted to try new things and experience new places and people;  he wanted to grocery shop, cook with her, learning together, enjoying together, holding hands, constantly learning about each other; he told her what he liked about her often, was encouraging, loving, kind to others(including waitresses, etc),  a peaceful, happy, and exciting soul, respectful of her feelings, who wanted an equal partner to share life with. He loved music, art, architecture, plays, beaches, and was creative.

Linda wanted to find a man who, in his 50’s-60’s, was happy with the paths that he had taken in his long life, happy with his life; did not dwell on regrets, mistakes, wrong paths, fears, anger at others; a man who had a long and full life and had not used lies, manipulation, control, and ego to get what he wanted.

A dynamic of dating middle age men is that some are retired, nearing retirement, or angry because they can’t retire, or other such issues. Linda met men who had retired and this was an issue. Some men had planned for “their” retirement, for one person and of course hadn’t planned for two. They couldn’t afford for their female partner to retire also. They expected the female to keep working. This caused “problems” in the relationships. In this day and age, women often don’t have retirement savings, because they were married, stayed home to raise children, didn’t work for long, didn’t make the salaries and have the job stability, upward mobility that men had. Especially if the man has never been married, didn’t have children, or had not been married for decades: they had great retirements. They did not plan for what to do with a future partner.  There were about 10 wonderful men that Linda could not be with because the men were retired, but she could not retire. They lived very different lives, and had very different needs and expectations for their lives and partners.

Linda dated a man who was retired, had enough retirement for himself, and played golf almost every day. She worked all day and went to his house after work, ready to go out, have fun, etc. He had bad knees but would not get them worked on because “surgery might mess up his golf game.” So, at the end of the day he was home, tired from golf all day, his knees swollen, and did not want to go out. He wanted her to cook, clean for him, and put ice on his knees, and just “be with him”. She had to get up early the next morning and go to work. He did not.

Linda also learned to steer away from MeetYourMate titles such as: YourKnight, AlphaDaug, Sometimes Bad, EasyGoing, JustBrowsing, SouthernGentleman, NoBaggage, GoinFishin, HaveKids:  YourKnight was the type looking to save you; thinks you need to be saved; will control you; take care of you, but take care of you his way; AlphaDaug is the alpha male type; wants a sexy, hot woman to meet his manly needs and doesn’t mind him “straying”; lets him hunt, fish, hang with the guys; would rather be with the guys; just needs you to meet his manly needs and take care of him; is a “guys” guy; does not know how to be with a woman;  SometimesBad is the bad guy with very few scruples, values, morals; likes to be bad; no one can tell him what to do; wants a “bad” woman; a hot woman; is sometimes a sex addict, addicted to porn, and a substance abuser -and woman abuser(emotional, verbal or physical).  EasyGoing (laid-back) is a very popular description that men use of themselves. These are boring, laid-back guys who don’t want any stress, demands, demanding women; like to come home, watch the tube, drink a few beers….with no demands, expectations. JustBrowsing guys are those that have huge egos, are ashamed that they are online looking for women, and don’t want you telling anyone that you met online. They think they are wonderful and can’t understand why they can’t meet anyone, or that when they do meet someone, it does not last long.  They go through women online like they go through the TV channels. “I met you, but I am going to keep looking because I can do better; there is someone better for me out there; I deserve the best”.  The SouthernGentleman  thinks the only way to be with a woman is to open doors, pull out chairs, save her from bears and rude men, show her his road rage and toughness, control others. When she opens her own door he gets mad and insulted. You have insulted his manhood. She must act like a southern belle at all times. NoBaggage is looking for a woman with no children around, no mental illness, no elderly parents around…nothing to interfere with his life of no baggage. This is usually the man who has never been married, or hasn’t been married in a long time. The woman must be able to travel when he wants to, and move when and where he wants to.

GoinFishin is trying to attract a woman by telling her he loves to fish. His profile picture is of him holding a big fish, with fishing clothes and cap on. You can’t see what he looks like, but you certainly can see what the fish looks like! His woman must love to fish, clean fish, and eat fish. Linda learned to put in her profile: “Please, no caps & sunglasses; I want to see you!” Men MUST see a picture of the woman, but often does not have a picture, or has a picture with caps and sunglasses, or bad pictures, or dark, far away pictures, or pictures 20 years old. Men say they are “visual” and must see pics. They seem to believe that women are not visual!  A picture of a fish will suffice: or a car, motorcycle, or big house, or big something else.

HaveKids: A man in his 50’s-60’s having kids at home or on weekends is absolutely no problem, in fact it can be a positive thing. It might show that he is grounded, balanced by the demands of kids. But beware of a man who uses that as his profile title. The first sentence in his profile then looks something like this: “Yes I have kids at home (or every weekend) and I will not sacrifice that role and my time with them for a woman.” A “balanced” profile would say later, maybe at the end, that he has young children and that being a father is important, and he loves doing things with his kids, just so we will know. BUT the purpose of this profile and finding the love of your life is to attract a great woman, not to tell us how angry you are that some women just don’t understand, and that that is your first priority in writing this profile. The same goes for GoinFishin. If the first thing you want me know about you is that you love fishing, and that is your strong point, and your “woman” must know that up front, you are not going to attract me.

Another frequent dynamic in dating 50-60ish men is that many have done the 2^nd, 3^rd, 4^th marriage thing with a young woman and now have young children. This is fine as long as they are good with this and are not angry or resentful because of this. This is fine also as long as they have learned how to be single dads. It is a juggling act, a balancing act. When married with children, the mother often handles all the logistics, phone calls, appointment setting of babysitters, figuring out how to go out on dates, setting everything up. The wife is often the man’s personal assistant. Linda dated a few guys who had kids on weekends. Obviously, this is when most of us date. The men had no idea how to date and have kids also. They had not learned how to get babysitters, or did not want to. Some had not developed the attitude that it is OK for adults with kids to go out at night; that occasionally you can and should go on adult weekends and hire a sitter for the weekend. The men feel that since they only have the kids on weekends, that they should spend every minute with the kids. These beliefs are unrealistic, and not healthy, if you are a man who believes in balance and finding a healthy mate. The men wanted the woman to go on outings with them and their kids, which is fine, but the couple also has to have real dates; or the man cannot go on vacations without his kids… A couple of guys who had their kids every weekend actually wanted to try to date her only on week nights, or the guys who had kids every other weekend, would only go out every other weekend. Having kids is more difficult, but these men must be willing to work very hard at finding balance, being realistic, learning how to get sitters, plan ahead, do what is right for his kids, and also what is right for a new date or potential partner. Dating requires thinking, planning, spending lots of time together, wanting to “attract” a person to you, going out on dates. It is not the fact that men have kids that scares us away. We like kids. It is the fact that men are not willing to figure out how to make it work, put effort into it, and show us that we are important too.

So Linda was still looking for a man truly kind, loving, fun, joyful, successful in life, happy, in touch with nature and this world, balanced, in touch with his soul, not a “me” person, not focused on ego, able and eager to leave his comfort zone and try new things without judging, not mentally ill. She was looking for love, real love, Now she was getting concerned that the pool was full of controlling fish, that did not swim well with the rest of the school; that wanted to swim with the rest of the pool only if they swam where he wanted to swim, follow him, eat the type of minnows he ate, stay out of his way and not swim in front of him. These fish stay in one part of the pool where it is safe. These fish are biting fish, that snap when they get mad, which is often. Linda needed to find a new pool, with fresh fish. They could be old fish, but they must be wonderful, positive, loving, joyful old fish. She was hoping they were not extinct.